Saturday, November 14, 2020

Power outage may cause additional service delays

We've been fairly busy in the past months and standard processing time has grown from the usual 2 business days that it has been for years to within 5 to even 6 business days.

We've been working every weekend for the past several months and yet our processing queue keeps growing as we refuse to increase speed of processing at the cost of quality of repairs.

Today, Saturday Nov 14th 2020 we lost power in our service shop due to power outage that has affected a number of buildings in the area.

It was recognized by the local power company Oncor as follows:

 

 We apologize for everyone affected by the delays.

 

Sunday, August 2, 2020

Timeline for CORE returns and other transaction obligations

This is yet another post prompted by experience with an eBay buyer, which resulted in a negative feedback, which to us is unjustified, but to the customer is fully justified.

We just got the following negative feedback:

"(-) Beware of the core return timeline. Will not work with you if you are late. "

We answer here because eBay gives 80 characters to answer and that is not enough for our answer.

For the protocol, here is our short answer:

1) Yes, beware of the core return timeline and all other terms of the offer, just as you should expect and demand vendors to beware and cover for their own responsibilities under the same listing!

2) No, it is not true we will not work with buyers. It is apparently blunt to assume (let alone pronounce!) single experience as a corporate policy, but more importantly we DID try to work with this buyer, just not to their liking.
Which is often the case when you eat your cake and still want it all.

Those are the details in case anyone cares:

We sell some boards with the offer to buy the old defective dud that is to be supposedly replaced by our board.

Nothing new under the Sun, it's actually fairly standard practice in the business.

Of course in order for such a business model to work there has to be a finite timeline for customers sending the old dud back and of course there has to be additional conditions, at least if we want reasonable chance for actually being able to re-condition and put the returned board back in the field.

For example boards that have been physically damaged or  have sustained water or fire damage.
The later being somewhat hard to define as sometimes components burn, but it's not actually any big issue.

But, simply put, if we are careful not to just waste money on boards we can't practically use for anything we have to define some criteria they need to pass and some time frame we have to get them by.

The reasons for the time frame are more simple to explain - first, nobody will want to be indefinitely liable as liabilities may mount and crush you when you least expect and second and actually more important, if a board is not listed and sold it loses its money-making power, i.e. if we lose a board to advertise we lose revenue stream!
As such, every board that is not returned to us reasonably fast has to be replaced and we go and buy a replacement on the open market - usually for much more than what we would have paid for the old dud, but with hope to continue the recondition-sell-buy-recondition-sell cycle, which would pay it off.

Clearly not a rocket science and we do not pretend that it is.

So we got this exchange earlier today (all messages are copied verbatim):

dodgersfan01:
I recently replaced my power board you sent me and it worked out great. I was going to send you the core but we forgot it at our weekend home. will you still accept it beyond the 14 days ? Also this is what the backside looked like when I removed it. I want you to see this before I return it to make sure that you accept it. Not sure if that was the source of my problem or if someone tried to fix it before me. Let me know where to go from here. Thank You

Coppell TV Repair LLC:
We may pay you $30 instead of $60 if you return the board to here.
Or if we didn't notice the delay - though we usually do - then we may pay you full credit.
I do not see anything unusual on the pictures, but missing the deadline simply makes us go out and spend about the same amount on any board - working or not, usually working and expensive - so that we have boards in circulation....this is our bloodline and we have to keep it fresh.


dodgersfan01:
For $30. Not worth my time or shipping costs. I guess thanks for nothing. Will make note in my feedback


Coppell TV Repair LLC:

We are not putting a price on your time or shipping costs , you are.

We put terms determined by our costs of running business and - by your own admission - you are the one that broke the rules, not us.

We have done everything we said we will do and we answered all your questions honestly and fairly.

"Thanks for nothing" is quite out of place here.


dodgersfan01:
Terrible answer


At that point we got the negative feedback quoted above.

It is easy to see why customer is upset. They made a simple human mistake. They did not try to cheat and asked perfectly valid question. They expected perfectly valid forgiveness of mistake.

The question is whether they are granted the right of forgiveness and if not then are they in their right to blame it on us by leaving negative feedback.
I mean morally, not practically or legally.

My position is that customer is not king and every business transaction is among equals.
As such, each party should be held equally responsible to the terms of the transaction.
Forgiveness is optional on each end and not necessarily possible at all times and its lack does not necessarily affect the business qualities of either side - it takes more than that to judge.

For example, what if we turn the table and imagine the not so uncommon situation in which the vendor is in default, say by having the product fail during warranty period.
What if vendor says "listen, I really did give you 90 days warranty and it did fail on the 60th, but I am short of people and parts now, so how about you give me some slack and let the warranty down to 60 days?
If you do we won't be having the problem we have now, would we?"

This is blown out of proportion, of course, but there are other, more realistic examples.

Seller may be out of products and may ask the client "Would you mind if I delay shipping by a week?".

The first vendor with 10 years on their back not having ever done that to throw the first stone at me.
(of course eventually vendors just stop asking; they just delay the order for a week or until customer calls..but that's another story)

So would the vendor be right to accuse the customer in bad relations if customer says "no, give me the money back, I'll move elsewhere"?

Of course not!

Well I dare claim from a standpoint of a business agreement this is exactly the same!

Buyer defaulted, was aware of it and asked if the agreement would still work.
Seller said no, not in this form, but it would in another.
Buyer got upset at seller.

I understand perfectly that if the business' prime objective was financial success, widespread approval leading to word of mouth referrals etc. then it should do everything in its power to keep customers happy, including taking their losses...sometimes.

I just refuse to accept that cash is king and we should turn blind eye to mistakes people do and cover for them. I believe that while possibly boosting the business' popularity, this results in customers becoming spoiled and irresponsible and inevitably leads to corruption.
My arguments and proofs are all around.

This view of mine results in occasional clashes with buyers and occasional negative feedbacks indeed.
It is the price that I and the companies I run pay for putting something above financial success.

It allows me to sleep better believing I do my job in keeping this world sane.

The question remains...while it is clear why customer had negative experience...is it right for that experience to be reflected on the seller?

If yes - for whatever reason -  then where do you draw the line?

If you believe the seller had to give up what the customer wanted ( to keep him happy and/or to avoid negative feedback) then what is the most basic thing sellers should not do to keep clients?

- Bobby


Friday, March 20, 2020

eBay removes repair kit listings containing "Not coming up" description in title

So today we, like probably others, have found out eBay has killed a number of our listings due to breaking eBay's Search Manipulation Policy.

The listings were for DIY repair kits that people use to resolve particular problems in failed electronic boards, namely (giving offending titles as they were listed on eBay; the links will point to our own website where eBay luckily does not have power yet):

PANASONIC TC-32LZ800 REPAIR KIT FOR TNPA4467 POWER TV NOT STARTING UP, NO IMAGE

REPAIR KIT FOR SAMSUNG BN44-00192A BN44-00192B POWER SUPPLY NOT COMING UP

SAMSUNG LN-T4042H LN-T4061F LN-T4053H REPAIR KIT (BASIC) FOR TV NOT COMING UP

Electronic boards are complicated creations and while at a high level one can say they either work or do not work and therefore should either be replaced or not, at a lower level things get way more complicated.

A failed / defective board may cause all kinds of unusual behavior in the appliance, e.g. endless restarting (aka power cycling), totally dead, trying to start, but failing (failing to start), dark or ghost image, inverse colors, excessive heat, whining noise etc. etc.

All those are different descriptions for (usually) different failures.

There is no ONE failure and there is no ONE description and, unless you are ShopJimmy, which used to advertise in their repair kits that they contain "all the parts needed to solve the problems with your board" (or something to that tune and which was so far fetched it was definitely flat out misleading and wrong), there is no one repair kit that solves a failure.

When creating listing titles we try to include the description of the problem or problems the kit addresses; this is based at our own first hand experience doing repairs and is integral part of the kit's description (which is also why it is contained in the description).
We often point to videos in our YouTube channel showing the particular failures.

Unlike most other vendors we also include information of the particular parts included in the repair kits so that people can test them and have actual factual information to decide if they need that kit or not.

The "Not Coming Up" is the opposite of search manipulation; it is the selection narrower and belongs where it is.

eBay would be better off spending their efforts ensuring customers who buy repair services ship the items to be repaired in a timely fashion and NOT penalizing vendors for customers not doing so.

In fact, eBay is better off making sure customers who buy repair services are AWARE they buy repair services in the first place.

A good first step would be to stop calling repair services "Items" and promising delivery date for them when clearly it can't be set without knowing how long customers will take to send their item to be repaired.

Another MUST DO item in eBay's todo list should be forcing buyers to actually read and agree with vendor's specific description of the listing; requirement may be optional so that it doesn't sharply kill the sweet revenue made by eBay, but it doesn't change the fact that, especially in the mobile versions, the listing description is flat out hidden and people often go by picture alone.
Where vendors- surprise, suprise! - are not allowed to use text.
So how do you show "REPAIR SERVICE" in a picture?

With its latest effort eBay is demonstrating the type of good intentions that lead to hell.

Monday, September 23, 2019

itzaloc760 rebuttal: "Was sent a different model number Eeprom"

This is one of those claim rebuttal posts made as a result of disagreement with a customer.

As I have said before whoever said customer was always right was caring more about their money than actual facts.

We don't mind people believing the Sun is raising because of them as long as it doesn't come in the way of our own business.

The conflict is most often illustrated by Indian people calling our phone and asking what will it cost to replace a bad capacitor on their TV and when we ask them which capacitor they saying it doesn't really matter since it's a less than a dollar capacitor and we sure will know which one.

Call me racial if you want, but for whatever reason it is mostly Indian folks we have such conversation with - not all and not only, but definitely most.

Anyway, I digress...this is about a customer who bought an EEPROM containing the firmware for Vizio E420VO TV as advertised here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VIZIO-E420VO-MAIN-BOARD-3642-0972-0150-EEPROM-U18-ONLY-NEW-PROGRAMMED-TESTED-/161498236177


According to eBay's own revision history this listing has been up since about 2016 and has made about 14 sales by the time of the development of this story.

So buyer itzaloc760 purchases and gets sent one of those and the following communication develops (nothing was edited):


itzaloc760:

The EEPROM is not the same one that my TV has, your description says it supposed to be for a Vizio E420VO for it to be compatible. The EEPROM on my TV is a MX2510GL6445EM2I the EEPROM I received from you is M2I12G5B212600. I have added pictures of the board my TV has and that's what your description for the Eeprom your selling supposed to work for. And no I didn't try it out I already order another one from a different seller.

 

(attached are following two pictures) 

 


 Coppell TV Repair LLC:

 

First, neither of your pictures show the EEPROM with the firmware for this TV.

One picture shows tuner box next to which there is some device, but I don't think it's an EEPROM and it most certainly isn't the board's firmware EEPROM.

The other picture shows the TCON processor (TCON is embedded on the main board on this model) and the TCON does have its own EEPROM with its own firmware, which, however is specific for the panel of the TV used and NOT for the model itself and it's not what typically fails and what we advertise.

Second, there are many different and compatible EEPROM models out there so it is not abnormal to receive a device that has different markings than the one on the board.
The same EEPROM can be and often is manufactured by different vendors and LG uses different ICs in their board too; and further, often times we as a service shop use one memory device which has larger capacity and can serve 10 different models - some with 32K eeproms, other with 64K EEPROMs and yet others with 128K EEPROMs.
OEMs use different devices because they order in hundreds of thousands and to them it makes a difference.
To us , price wise it is the same if we get 100 pcs of one or the other and if we can get away with using the larger IC for all cases then we go for it.

Lastly, M2I12G5B212600 is not a valid part number.
Give me a good picture of it and I'll tell you what it is.
Until then, go for the label printed on the PCB next to the device and make sure it's U18.

 

Coppell TV Repair LLC (second message):

Simply put. the message I want to convey is you are not talking to an eBay vendor reselling anything they can lay their hand on.

You are talking to someone who works all day long - Saturday evening included - reverse engineering and fixing boards.

it's kind like designing electronics, only harder....believe it or not.

Challenge me technically with any electronics question you may have and let's see if I can level.

And I dare tell you the EEPROM we advertise and send is the right one.

At least from the pictures it doesn't seem like you are looking at the right place.

On the board in the below listing (the first that I pulled on eBay, do not know who it is from) the EEPROM is near the lower right corner of the white rectangle marked on the PCB around the main processor:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3642-0972-0150-Main-Board-From-Vizio-E420VO-LAUKIFAL-LCD-TV/293215229609?epid=1654959788&hash=item4444fd56a9:g:lHUAAOSwSbhdcUNh

This is just a guess from looking at the board; it looks like it (8 pins) and it is close to the processor - that is what an EEPROM should be.


(update after publishing: oddly enough, the item in the above listing has already been sold at the time of publishing this rebuttal, which means within 1 day of the conversation developing; for reference purposes, below is a copy of the picture it contained.)


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

itzaloc760:

Keep the money as a donation I'm not gonna argue with you, I just lost my mom and I don't have time for any of this that's why I just ordered the right one with the same part numbers, and I'll send you the picture of the U18 Eeprom of my board cause you sound like I don't know what I'm doing. And I don't want anything in return so don't reply back. You know what Eepron you send me so compare both. The pictures I send you first where for reference only so you can see the model number of the board my TV has but yiu where looking for the Eeprom well I send you the picture also.

 

Coppell TV Repair LLC:

Not arguing here...I was trying to help.

Sorry if I had misunderstood you...I thought you were giving us those two pictures as examples of where you look for the eeprom.

Also sorry for your loss, but again I have no intent to argue.
itzaloc760:

Apology accepted, so I send you the pictures of my board numbers and the Eeprom my board has, I don't think I have to send you a picture of the Eeprom you send me so you can compare the part numbers. And I don't want anything in return take it as a donation from a well known buyer here in Ebay.

 

The next thing happening was itzaloc760 leaving us negative feedback on eBay:

 

itzaloc760: 

 Negative feedback rating   Was sent a different model number Eeprom

 

We still maintain that the proper EEPROM was sent and that the buyer was simply incompetent, upset and - to me it is obvious - confused.

 

Is it possible that we have sent incorrect EEPROM? Yes, it is. 

 

What is more likely - for us to have made that mistake or for a buyer who can't take off properly an EEPROM number to have taken the wrong one out or to have soldered it incorrectly or to have misdiagnosed the problem?

 

To us the answer is if not certain, then certainly very far away from the finite statement "was sent a different model number Eeprom".

You take your side.